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Attempt to Repeal SD Embryonic Stem Cell Research Ban Involves More Deception

Diagram of organ regeneration from ADULT stem cells (Source: Wikimedia Commons)

A bill has been introduced in the South Dakota legislature to repeal the state ban on embryonic stem cell research (ESCR).  We knew this was coming because a few months ago a group led by David Volk announced they were planning to seek a repeal either through a petition effort or through the legislature.  In fact, this is something that is beginning to take place in several states across the country.

On January 21, SB 74 was introduced in the South Dakota Senate.  Of course, it makes no mention of embryonic stem cell research or a different, non-destructive type of stem cell research called adult stem cell research; it lumps “stem cell research” into one disingenuous lump.

The Rapid City Journal features an opinion piece today from Volk, arguing for passage of the bill.  Volk makes the typical emotional appeal about suffering people who could be cured, if only the public would get over it’s archaic value of forms of human life that others don’t consider worthy of protection.

Putting aside for a moment some very real practical problems with embryonic stem cell research (such as problems with tissue rejection and with tumor generation in the recipient), and the benefit of the newly discovered ability to program adult stem cells to act like embryonic ones, Volk tells some real whoppers in this opinion piece, such as:

Embryonic stem cell research holds great promise because of these cells’ ability to develop into any type of tissue. Other research methods, such as adult stem cell research, are more limited.

Great promise? There has not been a single successful medical therapy derived from ESCR, not in all the years of research conducted in America and around the world, both privately funded and at taxpayer expense.

Meanwhile adult stem cell therapy (which can be obtained from a person’s own nasal tissue, dental tissue, or in many other places in the body) can make cells develop into other types of tissue and has already produced more than 70 successful therapies that have already helped many people with their ailments. These successful therapies include maladies such as brain injury, stroke, retina regeneration, heart tissue regenerationanginadiabetes, bone cancer, nerve regeneration, cerebral palsy, cartilage regeneration, Parkinsons, kidney damage, liver cancer, lupus, multiple sclerosis,  leukemia and many others.  Just a few months ago, adult stem cells were used to regenerate facial bone tissue in a boy was born with a genetic defect that caused the absence of some facial bone.

I had the privilege a couple of years ago of meeting a person whose life was saved by adult stem cell therapy, Carol Franz. Carol’s testimony is amazing, having come back from death’s doorstep to live a vital, energetic life–without having to destroy another human life to do it.

It is pretty obvious which form of stem cell research is promising…and it isn’t embryonic stem cell research.

But Volk is just getting warmed up on the whoppers.  He also says some people are unnecessarily concerned that a repeal of the ban will lead to cloning or abortion because neither will happen.  This is patently false.

The process of cloning of human embryos is used to create more test subjects on which to experiment.  It is a key part of embryonic stem cell research methodology.

Dr. David Prentice spoke in Rapid City a couple of months ago about stem cell research and cloning. Prentice has a Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the University of Kansas and spent almost 20 years as Professor of Life Sciences, Indiana State University, and Adjunct Professor of Medical and Molecular Genetics, Indiana University School of Medicine. He is also an internationally-recognized expert on stem cells and cloning, and has testified before the U.S. Congress, numerous state legislatures, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, the President’s Council on Bioethics, European Parliament, British Parliament, Canadian Parliament, Australian Parliament, German Bundestag, French Senate, Swedish Parliament, the Vatican, and the United Nations.

This is an excerpt of an article I wrote from Dr. Prentice’s presentation in November:

Dr. James Thompson of the University of Wisconsin, who was the first to make a breakthrough with ESC, says scientists have overestimated the prospects for transplantation cures using embryonic stem cells.

Prentice said human cloning isn’t what we think of from the movies. Cloning (somatic cell nuclear transfer–SCNT) is a process of obtaining a human embryo. A somatic cell is taken from the body, the nucleus is removed, then transferred into an empty egg to produce a single-celled embryo. This human clone can then be put into the womb of a mother.

Therapeutic cloning–as opposed to reproductive cloning–is done the same way, only the cloned human being is used for research.

When an MSNBC interviewer in 2005 tried to distinguish between human cloning for reproduction and human cloning for research, Dr. Thompson said: “See, you’re trying to define it away, and it doesn’t work. If you create an embryo by nuclear transfer, and you give it to somebody who didn’t know where it came from, there would be no test you could do on that embryo to say where it came from. It is what it is. It’s true that they have a much lower probability of giving rise to a child. … But by any reasonable definition, at least at some frequency, you’re creating an embryo. If you try to define it away, you’re being disingenuous.”

The language of South Dakota’s current law bans any human cloning. However, some other states define “human cloning” as involving implantation in a uterus…which–short of that–would open the door for and allow human cloning for research purposes, i.e. ESCR, so long as it was not implanted in a uterus.

Because ESC harvesting is very inefficient, it would take approximately 100 human eggs per patient to hope to cure any diseases. This would require massive egg donation by women to be used for research.

There are dangers associated with egg donation including increased risk of breast and ovarian cancer. A female Stanford student named Calla Papademas is one such woman who found out about such risks after the fact.

Yes, there is indeed cloning involved in ESCR, as is abortion.

You see, embryonic stem cells cannot be successfully harvested from a human embryo without destroying that human embryo.  When we destroy a pre-born human being, that is what we commonly call “an abortion.”   While most abortions occur around eight weeks development (after the unborn child has an actual heartbeat), abortions can occur at any stage before a human being is actually born, from chemically-induced abortions at very early stages (the “morning after” pill, Plan B, etc.) all the way up to the ninth month.  Yes, embryonic stem cell research is abortion.

But it seems Volk has some “magic dust” which he believes can change all this. You see, if you just call it something else, then the magic dust can actually make it become something else. Volk’s magic dust can be sprinkled on what we otherwise know as human life, and magically transform it into inanimate material we sometimes call an embryo, a blastocyst, or a zygote, or simply medical material (rather like the baby we want to abort becomes a “product of conception“) . Calling human beings by these dispassionate, clinical terms makes it infinitely more palatable to kill them and use them for experiments, doesn’t it?

But from conception, human embryos contain unique DNA that distinguishes them from every other human being on earth.  They are not a part of their mother or father with which their mother or father can do as they please; they are a separate, distinct and unique human being. Incidentally, a human embryo is incapable of giving his or her consent to have genetic material removed, just as an unconscious person cannot give consent for their body to be used for medical experiments.

From conception, human embryos contain all the genetic information they will ever need for the rest of their life.  They don’t get more genetic information at 2 weeks, 8 weeks, 6 months or even at birth; they are genetically complete from conception.  So does the difference in development change their humanity?

A toddler is lacking in development, as is any child.  Does that mean a child is less human than an adult?  Does this mean a 2-year old is entitled to less protection than a 20-year old?  Since an infant is lacking in development, does that mean we can experiment on it as we see fit?  Well, the human child has all it’s body parts, you might say.

If lack of development or lack of physical completion is the standard that separates a human being from experimental raw material, then we have lots of raw material available.  There are countless people–excuse me, test subjects–who were born without limbs or who lost their limbs due to accidents.  Since, because of their incompleteness, they can no longer be considered “human beings” like these human embryos, think of all the medical advances we can make, now that we have so much more raw material.

Volk and others sometimes make the argument that these are just “leftover” human embryos that one might say are “discarded” and “no longer wanted” by the parents that made them.  This is because they look hungrily at “leftover” human embryos at fertility clinics to use for medical experiments.

Well, then, if that’s the case, we have a huge store of medical material on which we can do medical experiments.  There are millions of children, here in America and around the world, who have been orphaned and are no longer wanted by the people who created them.  Let’s use these babies, toddlers, preschoolers and adolescents for medical experiments.  Think of the medical advances that we can make now that we have test subjects and experimental material from so many new developmental stages.

Hmmm. Maybe that “magic dust” doesn’t work so well after all.  In fact, it only works in the mind of those who are desperate to excuse the inexcusable, to justify the destruction of innocent human life.

In the real world, we call that “magic dust” deception, and we call destroying a human embryo for medical experiments morally indefensible.

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  • dcm

    Why do people keep believing those — like abortion supporters, ESCR supporters, AGW alarmists, evolutionists, etc. etc. etc. — who have been caught lying to them over and over? People must really want to believe certain things.

  • pete

    What is the difference between discarding extra eggs obtained through in-vitro after 5 yrs & one used for research?

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  • WXRGina

    Unfertilized “eggs” are not embyros. Once the egg is fertilized with a sperm cell, a human embryo is formed. That is a tiny person with the spark of life to grow, if that's what you mean by “eggs.” In that case, you're dealing with abortion. It all results in the same egregious end – the killing of babies.

  • brian rutledge

    The moral arguments are valid. But the arguments that ESCR has 'had it's chance' and hasn't produced one beneficial treatment are deceiving. For researchers in the US to engage in meaningful studies with ESC they must get FDA approval and have access to a large number of cell lines. For the past 8 years this has been against the law, so what research has been done has been on animals or small private studies . Adult stem cells have had no such restrictions.

    So comparing the two is invalid. Since Jan. 2009, ESC have been put on the same par as ASC as far as access to them is concerned and studies have just begun that are FDA approved. Now and in the ensuing years can one make an honest comparison between the two.The large multi-center study trial on spinal cord treatment with ESC has just begun and results will take time.That is how science is done.

    The moral argument will persist, but the scientific question of what ESC have to offer has just now began in ernest. An honest person would at least admit that.

  • dcm

    Perhaps that's true up to a point (hasn't ESCR had *decades* by now?), but it's still hard to deny the deceptiveness of those who confuse the two kinds of stem cells. And what exactly is expected to be accomplished with ESCs that ASCs couldn't do?

  • Brian Rutledge

    Pure embryonic stem cells were not cultivateable until 1998 when the U. of Wisconsin discovered how. So the mantra that ESCR has had decades to prove itself isn't true. Then in 2000, ESCR was made illegal except for a very few cells lines so large clinical trials were essentially impossible.In 2009, ESCR has become legal so only now are good clinical trials just starting. It is dawn for ESCR.

    I think one of the big questions is can ASC's be completely turned back to ESC's and most scientists don't believe that is possible but are trying in ernest.Lets hope they can. Some trouble studies are showing that since ASC have been around longer( are older cells) and have replicated more often than ESC, that they naturally make more replicating mistakes that render them less effective than a cell like an ESC that has not undergone all these replicative steps.

    Truth is, as I understand it- no one yet honestly knows which will be the best and will one be better for one type of diseases and the other better suited for another type of diseases.

  • dcm

    Very interesting — it appears you've put a lot of time into understanding these matters. Nonetheless, the very fact that ESCR has to be supported by so many emotional appeals and so much deceptiveness (lumping ASCR & ESCR together; disregarding ASCR's successes) makes me continue to be skeptical of what's said in its defense. I confess I would be very surpised if even unrestricted ESCR ever amounted to much; there are unwritten, often unrecognized laws of life that that would violate.

  • dcm

    …and what I mean by that last statement is this: Having to weigh embyros' potential lives against ESCR's potential benefits would be the kind of blatant moral dilemma which I have found to be vanishingly rare in real life. Generally, to those with their eyes open, “right” and “wrong” are clearly delineated, and only selfishness & self-interest make things cloudy.

  • http://www.dakotavoice.com Bob Ellis

    Actually we've known about stem cells and been experimenting with them since the 1960s, and I believe the first embryonic stem cell replication and stimulation experiments were done around that time.

    Also, embryonic stem cell research has not been against the law for the past eight years; President Bush only outlawed taxpayer funding for broad embryonic stem cell research while allowing taxpayer funding on a specific line of embryonic stem cells that were already in existence. Meanwhile, ESCR done via private funding has gone on unhindered in the U.S. as it has around the world. Taxpayer funded ESCR has also been going on around the world for years.

    A poor Israeli boy who went to Russia to receive a fetal stem cell transplant (which is for practical purposes essentially the same as embryonic stem cells) now has tumors growing on his brain and spine, as is common with ESC therapy. That's the real “promise” of ESCR, which is pretty lousy when compared with a line of research that has already produced more than 73 successful treatments.

  • Brian Rutledge

    Well I was just just talking about the science side of things, but certainly agree with the comment in general about selfishness and greed .They are always harmful

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  • Brian Rutledge

    I stated that U.S. government funding for ESR was illegal a EXCEPT for a few ESC cells lines. And yes private companies and even governments abroad could pay for ESC research, but these funds are paltry compared to what our NIH can contribute and allow for very limited research.

    And yes, stem cells have been studied since the sixties, but pure ESC's were not able to be isolated and cultivated until 1998 at U. of Wisconsin. ESCR prior to then used 'polluted' cell lines or cell lines that were not pure non-differentaited stem cells. .We are just now finding out or trying to find out what pure ESCR can do on a massive, well funded scale.

    And your characterization of the therapy given to the Israeli boy is wrong. The cells he received in Russia ( not a stalwart of a research country) were not pure pluripotent, non-differentiated,immature embryonic stem cells, but embryonic cells that had already begun differentiating into nerve cells( fetal neural cells). Your comment that these cells are practically the same as ESC is scientifically wrong.Big, big difference between the two. Also the cells came from several different fetuses and even had some type of 'growth stimulating factor ' added to them.

    Using new technogy and these pure ESC lines, recent studies have NOT shown this excessive tumor growth contrary to what you said.The simple and honest truth is that in the U.S., pure ESCR has just started in earnest and if one is honest or objective, can not yet be compared to ASC therapy. I am pulling for ASC so we can do away with the moral issue, but truthfully the facts aren't in yet

  • http://www.dakotavoice.com Bob Ellis

    It is simply not true that there is a “big difference” between embryonic stem cell therapy and the fetal stem cell therapy the Israeli boy received. ESCR is well known to have serious problems with tumor generation; most ESCR proponents don't even dispute this. Fetal stem cell therapy also typically involves pluripotent cells just like embryonic stem cells. And while fetal stem cells can be harvested from umbilical cord blood (something that is not a problem for the pro-life community), fetal stem cells often come from the bodies of aborted children–making fetal stem cell therapy just as immoral as embryonic stem cell therapy.

    Common sense dictates that if you have two similar lines of medical research (one already producing dozens of successes with no adverse side effects, the other fraught with unpleasant side effects and as yet without a single success to its credit), the focus should be on the non-problematic one that is producing results.

    Morality dictates that if you have two similar lines of medical research (one which destroys and innocent human life, while the other does not), the focus should be on the non-destructive one.

    Morality and practicality wins this debate hands-down, every time.

  • http://www.dakotavoice.com dr. theo

    Dr. Rutledge wrote “[B]ut these [private] funds are paltry compared to what our NIH can contribute…”

    I don't believe that is true. If ESCR possesses all the promise that advocates claim, I cannot understand why greedy capitalist companies and individuals aren't scrambling to get in on the billions upon billions of dollars of profit that are sure to follow the relatively small investment in research. Perhaps it's because these same people are already invested in ASCR where they are already reaping profits.

  • Brian Rutledge

    dr theo

    Good point dr theo, but greedy capitalists don't like to invest in extremely long term research projects. They demand quicker returns. Also under Bush,if a major university or research center wanted to perform ESCR, they had to build entirely new labs and research facilities, because they weren't allowed to even use the same labs that were getting government funds for things like adult stem cell research.

    It was not a ' relatively small ' start up investment like you mentioned. It took multi-millions to just set up the research labs before any research could even be considered. This scared away the greedy ones. Harvard and Stanford did get fairly large endowments for ESCR , but these were private grants( Bill Gates etc) and these grantors would not profit at all from the research.

    Just since Jan. 2009 could research facilities use the same centers for both ASCR and ESCR, drastically reducing research costs. Maybe those greedy ones will now start to move in. But more than likely they will wait until the product is ripe for the plucking and make their money on selling and marketing the product. That is where the money is- not in the resaerch phase

  • Brian Rutledge

    Well I am not a cell biologist and I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the difference between umbilical cord stem cells and pure embryonic stem cells.Some scientists believe the umbilical cord cells are closer to adult stem cells and other say they are 'embryo like ' in nature. It all depends on the internal machinery that is running each cell line and that internal machinery mechanism is not fully understood yet.

    It is known that minute differences in this machinery can mean enormous differences in how these cells express themselves and how they can affect damaged tissue. It is for reasons like this that iI think it is reasonable for the research to continue. Until scientists fully probe deep into the cell and exhaust all its possibilities, no one can yet say ' lets quit ESCR '.

    Again I am talking about the science of this issue, not the morality

  • Julien

    Dear Bob,

    I won't mention here the different approximations and mistakes you have made in this report regarding hESCR…I am not sure you are actually interested in learning scientific facts regarding these cells, but would be pleased to enlighten you some day if you wish.

    Just 2 questions have arisen while reading your prose:
    -you said human embryos should be protected because they have “unique human DNA”. Does it follow that if a human embryo did not have unique DNA it wouldn't have to be protected?

    -you said hESC research should be forbidden because it destroys embryos. Consequently other activities that lead to massive embryo destruction, like in vitro fertilization for infertile couples (because left over embryos are discarded, or stored in liquid nitrogen where they slowly die), should also be forbidden. Are you also against in vitro fertilization then?

    Thanks for your answers.

  • http://northernplainsanglicans.blogspot.com/ Timothy Fountain

    Don't know if you caught it in yesterday's Argus Leader, but T. Denny Sanford was at a special ceremony w/ Gov. Schwarzenegger in CA to make a major donation to a stem cell research place not bound by SD restrictions.

  • http://www.dakotavoice.com Bob Ellis

    No, Tim, I missed that. Thanks for letting me know. Not that it's surprising, though. I strongly suspect Sanford and his money–along with those who lust after his money–are a significant force behind the effort to overturn South Dakota's ban on this barbarism.

  • http://www.dakotavoice.com Bob Ellis

    Julien, sometimes your interrogatives just leave me shaking my head.

    A human embryo that does not have a unique DNA profile cannot exist. Even a clone has some genetic differences from the parent organism. I think you're smart enough to get my point about the sacred value of an individual human being, and that a child is not a part of its parent's body that the parent may discard at will like a clipped fingernail; I think you understand it but deliberately want to obfuscate by running down a rabbit trail.

    And yes, I am against anything that deliberately destroys innocent human life, including in vitro fertilization techniques that create human beings, only to discard or abort later.

  • WXRGina

    Julien, I know Bob can easily defend himself against your baseless assertions, but I'm wondering what you are talking about when you say, “I won't mention here the different approximations and mistakes you have made in this report regarding hESCR…I am not sure you are actually interested in learning scientific facts regarding these cells, but would be pleased to enlighten you some day if you wish.”

    Your juvenile, snobbish derision aside, what “approximations and mistakes” do you mean? Do you have a problem with your high school biology teachings that when a sperm and an egg come together, a human being is created? Does that fact bother you because of your leftist worldview? You call a human embryo “these cells,” so that tells me you have a disdain for humanity which is typical of the anti-human left. I'll bet Margaret Sanger is one of your heroes.

  • Brian Rutledge

    Gina,

    I love your spirit and loyalty, but wonder why combat derisiveness with derisiveness

  • http://www.dakotavoice.com Bob Ellis

    I might be able to answer that. The Bible says, “Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.” Sometimes a soft, kind answer to foolish statements and questions is called for; at others, a strong response is called for, lest the foolish questioner be misled into thinking he's proved himself wise when the opposite is true. The tough part in life is knowing which type of answer to employ in which situation.

  • Brian rutledge

    Great and wise verse. Loved it. But I think that when a 'strong response' is called for, there are better and more clever ways to express this 'strong response' than to use the same tactics the fool used.Seems like the fool has you in his corner.But loved the verse

  • WXRGina

    Hi, Brian. Yes, I know what I wrote may sound derisive, but it's not meant to be derisive in the way you might think. My words come from anger at those who revel in killing babies, no matter how small. My anger is against those who defend the indefensible. The true “derision” comes from those who call evil good and good evil.

  • Julien

    Well, twins for instance actually have exactly the same DNA… As far as clones are concerned, I am sorry to tell you that if you take 20 clones produced from a pool of ovocytes coming from the same female, they will be strictly identical on the genetic point of view (both nuclei and mitochondrial DNA)…So your “scientific” definition of what make the human life sacred is not correct. And this is what I wanted to point ou, you only have religious or moral values to explain why a human life should be sacred from conception…

  • Julien

    No actually Gina I was truly refering to actual mistakes that happear in bob report… I pointed out this same mistakes previously, with references to document them, but it seems it is not in the interest of bob to try correct them.

    I actually love humanity, and strongly believe hESC research will generate great cure for life threatening disease. I can completely understand though why people think they should protect an embryo, based on their own moral. However what make me reply here is when people use wrong scientific knowledge to try to justify morally or faith based notions. I could develop more on new recent advances made in hESCR: I coud tell you that now we can even produce hES lines from already dead embryos…but I don't think you would be interested in hearing from it.

  • http://www.dakotavoice.com Bob Ellis

    That is contrary to what I have read of cloning. The difference is slight, but there is a difference all the same.

    And this is the reason I shake my head. My point was that the human embryo is a genetically complete human being who is not a part of another person's body (i.e. not an organ or body part that another person has dominion and moral authority over). And of course, you attempt to look for even the slightest, most minute excuse to attempt to “explain away” their humanity to excuse the immoral act of their destruction.

    And to answer your other comment directed at Gina, no, you don't love humanity. You love some humans, the ones you deem worthy of continued life, while you hold others in frightful contempt and disregard–enough so that you have no qualms about destroying them.

    That's a great shame for you. You may have yourself fooled to the point where you can subdue your conscience for a while, but God is most assuredly not fooled–and he isn't the slightest bit okay with destroying innocent human life created in his image.

  • http://www.dakotavoice.com dr. theo

    Identical twins indeed have the same genotype or DNA, but still they have differing phenotypes. We see this manifested by different fingerprints, slight differences in body size and appearance, perhaps differences in personalities, etc. The point being is that each zygote or embryo is a unique creation in spite of the fact that we don't have a complete understanding of how genes are expressed differently in each individual. That uniqueness is a quality that you may wish to ignore, but you cannot refute.

    Mr. Ellis' point is practically accurate and you, Julien, are only being obstinate in your petty attempts to find fault with an argument that you can't otherwise refute. I could as easily dismiss your arguments because of your poor spelling and faulty grammar.

  • Brian Rutledge

    dr theo

    Your scientific argument is dead on in view of the fact that these so call 'gentically identical emrbryos' are indeed different genetically because of the phenomena of phenotypes and gene expression.

    But I don't understand how attacking someone's character by calling them obstinate and petty adds one thing to the scientific point you made so well.I was always taught in ethics and debate class that an argument should stand on it's own and personal attacks or comments only lessen it.

  • http://www.dakotavoice.com dr. theo

    “[B]ut greedy capitalists don't like to invest in extremely long term research projects.” They don't? Many years and millions went into all the genetic research that is now reaping profits and the labs that developed these techniques have exclusive rights to use and market their intellectual property. The same can be said for many surgical devices, drugs and other technology. On average it takes about twelve years to bring a new drug to market and as much as 100 million dollars. Long-term investment is the rule for most serious investors.

    There are research labs in Europe and Asia that have busily engaged in ESCR for years and I'm sure they would welcome foreign investors, but few seem interested. In fact, when California passed Prop 71 earmarking 3 billion dollars for ESCR, there were great fears overseas that there would be a brain-drain of talent from other countries to California. Why is it that nobody seems able to get any work done in this field except with Uncle Sam's green-backs?

  • Brian Rutledge

    dr theo

    You made many true points, but two things have scared the private, geedy capitalists from wanting to throw money after ESCR. One is that it has only been ten years since pure hESC's could be cultured(five years since it has become practical) and secondly from 2000 to 2008, a chill was in the air since academic labs were greatly impeded from doing ESCR.Without this backbone to support the private companys, research in adult stem cells was given the priority.

    But now that America has opened it's reseach flood gates to ESCR, the venture capatilists are making their move.Pfizer just gave 100 million for two labs to work on ALL stem cells. Glaxo/smith just gave Harvard 25 million for research in ALL stem cell lines. Novartis/Roche gave a company in Spain a huge sum and Stanford is building a hundreds of millions of dollars massive facility to support 600 scientists researching adult and ESC's.

    My research of this reveals that the private boys are now 'on there way' for two reasons 1) ASC appear to have many applications 2) ESCR recent breakthroughs are so encouraging that they're willing to start putting up the big bucks to research them. The fact that the academic labs are now unleashed will only help the private labs as well, since knowledge is frequently shared..

    The Wall Street Journal had an article on this phenomena a couple of months ago. Will try to find the link.

  • http://www.dakotavoice.com dr. theo

    I don't think pointing out that someone is being petty and obstinate is character assassination, Brian. Go back and read some of Julien's comments on this and other threads. He cannot make any point without being arrogant and contentious.

    Perhaps English is not his native language, in which case I can forgive the clumsiness of some of his prose. But, for someone to present themselves as an authority while barely being able to communicate effectively irritates me a bit, I'll admit it.

  • Brian Rutledge

    dr theo

    I do understand the irritation part and Julien's own unnecessary comments, grammar and spelling mistakes lessened his own argument, even if he was making a valid point. I still would have to question whether describing him ( or his words) as arrogant, contentious, petty and obstinate adds anything to the discussion.

    I see this happening more and more today when grown people discuss issues and it concerns me.When I feel the urge, I just go into another room and bang my head into the wall until the urge passes. I am sure one of these days stitches will be required ! Then some overworked ER doc will have to sew me up. :-)

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  • Amy

    Hi Bob – did you catch the story on KSFY last night about Paula Barber's claim that her MS has been partially “cured” by EMBRYONIC stem cell treatment she has received in Mexico. I called KSFY and left a message as I am curious as to how they verified the cure and also the treatment since there are NO KNOWN cures of any disease with ESCR. There are cord blood and ASCR treatments of MS which are rendering great results, but one wonders what Paula's motivation is in being deceitful, unless she herself has been deceived by her provider in Mexico (that would NEVER happen / sarc). No response from KSFY yet, but I am astounded at how disingenuous they have been regarding ESCR by broadcasting this story. They must not have done ANY verification at all before running this contentious story. They're true agenda is showing – again.

  • http://www.dakotavoice.com Bob Ellis

    That would be a major story, one that the “mainstream” media would surely tout to the highest heavens. So I highly doubt there's anything to it.

    And if she did get ESC treatments in Mexico, she had better have herself examined extremely regularly; she'll want to catch those tumors as early on as possible.

  • Brian Rutledge

    Multiple Sclerosis is an autoimmune disease where 'scar' tissue builds up in the brain and the spinal cord and thus impairs neurologic function. Amy, could you provide the studies that show where cord stem cells and AESC reversed these lesions that would confirm your statement that this therapy is rendering all these great results.

    I couldn't find any and if you don't have access to them, where did you get your information ?

  • http://www.dakotavoice.com Bob Ellis

    Not all adult stem cell treatments reverse or “cure” diseases (though many do), but many that don't effect a complete cure do provide remission of an relief from symptoms of various illnesses.

    For instance, back in September 2009 at the Values Voter Summit in Washington D.C. I heard the testimony of Barry Goudy who has been free of MS symptoms for six years. You can read about him from my report: http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/09/values-voter... and also here: http://www.stemcellresearch.org/testimony/20080...

    I also met and talked with Carol Franz in 2008. She is a multiple myeloma survivor thanks to adult stem cell therapy.

    These are just two living testimonies to not just the hope of a treatment but actual treatments derived from adult stem cell therapy.

    When Edison was trying to create a light bulb, he tried a number of things that didn't work. When he found something that worked, do you think he still spent his time, money and energy on all those things that proved fruitless?

    And those other things Edison tried did not destroy innocent human life. Embryonic stem cell research does.

  • Brian Rutledge

    I just read about Mr. Goudy and am thrilled he is doing better. While it is encouraging to hear such testimonies, one case of remission in science means nothing. What science does is record Mr. Goudy's response in a contolled trial and see if there is evidence that others have the same response.

    That and only that is the way to ascertain or claim whether this therapy works. Trials are underway, but none yet completed. That is how you find if a treatment has truth to it or not.No drug or therapy can be considered a success unless it's efficacy can be born out by controlled trials. I hope like heck that these trials bear out Mr. Goudy's testimony.

  • http://www.dakotavoice.com Bob Ellis

    Mr. Goudy being symptom-free for 5-6 years isn't enough? Carol Franz, another example, isn't enough? The dozens if not hundreds of people successfully treated with adult stem cell therapy in the 73 or more treatments isn't enough?

    Well, you may remain a scoffer if you wish, but I think it's pretty clear that such skepticism in the face of such evidence says something about your biases.

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